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An atheist’s temple…

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  1. Education can solve many problems. Ignorance has nearly destroyed humanityand the environment. Which would be more effective in the race to save endangered species and the environment? Would chasing and punishing poachers help save endangered species? Or would educating and thereby eliminating the ignorant be more effective?

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  2. Nice post John,

    The pictures remind me of how hard learning actually is. Books give context and nuance and, more importantly, require time and effort to find just the facts or arguments you are looking for.

    It’s a process that nurtures the mind unlike the omnipresent google-fu we have today.

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    • Ain’t that the truth. I went through uni before the interwebs and would spend days, literally full-days, in the National Library following a line of inquiry and building a train of thought. There was something incredibly tactile about it. The strange irony is I was actually writing on how the emergent interwbs would/could change human communication. At the time ARPANET had just shut down (Jaron Lanier was a living guru) and the protocols for a larger system were being written. It was clear something was happening, but what exactly was the subject of complete speculation.

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    • Calvin: Isn’t it strange that evolution would give us a sense of humour? When you think about it, it’s weird that we have a physiological response to absurdity. We laugh at nonsense. We like it. We think it’s funny. Don’t you think it’s odd that we appreciate absurdity? Why would we develop that way? How does it benefit us?

      Hobbes: I suppose if we couldn’t laugh at things that don’t make sense, we couldn’t react to a lot of life.

      Calvin: (after a long pause) I can’t tell if that’s funny or really scary.

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    • I wouldn’t imagine for a second you would. After all, your Middle Eastern god is anti-knowledge:

      For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
      (1 Corinthians 1:19)

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      • A temple is for worship. I think inwardly your conscience wants to worship some greater power; please correct me if I am wrong.

        I like atheists for a merit; they point out mistakes of the people who have gone mythical in their creeds. And it is a good thing to do.

        But it should be done nicely.

        I think you will agree with me on this point.

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      • Of course. Atheist is merely a person who doesn’t believe in the gods. A much better word to describe me is a humanist, a naturalist… and we should always strive to be nice.

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      • It is just fine. It is your choice to not believe in the one true God. If you like I will call you a humanist; and I know that a humanist must be humanly arguing with reason.

        I think you will agree with me. Of course one has a choice to disagree also.

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      • What is in a name?

        The names are good if they describe some qualities or attributes. Different language could have different names expressing the same personage with the same qualities or attributes.

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      • It has been very naturally with me. Like I believe in my father and mother; I never doubted about them. I believe in myself very naturally; I never doubted myself; and I don’t need any evidence for that; one could doubt if there is useful reason to it.

        I think you also don’t doubt about yourself; and I accept your existence without any evidence whatsoever.

        Don’t you?

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      • “without any evidence whatsoever…”

        There is physical, genetically verifiable evidence for your mother and father. There is evidence i exists: these words should suffice for that. There is no evidence for your Middle Eastern god.

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      • I don’t never needed any evidence for my father or mother; and I think 99.9% normal persons won’t need to check or verify it. Their love and support is an unequivocal evidence of their being my parent; additionally I could check it genetically I know; but there is no reasonable ground for me to check it.

        Do you doubt your parents? I don’t think that you have to verify them genetically.

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  3. There’s actually enough books in that room to keep both Fascist home-fires and the Vatican warm for a few weeks. Books have their uses …

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  4. I was once told that when I die and go to Hell, I will be positioned to the library section and all they have is Readers Digest, short versions of the great classical books. An eternity of that would certainly be a hell for me… Altough, to me, an eternity of just about anything would propably turn out to be hell.

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      • Well, it was someone very dear to me, who knows me very intimately indeed. Someone who knows my love of books and my disgust at the idea, that some unnamed editor could know better, than Leo Tolstoi what to put in the War and Peace.

        Yes, anything continuing for ever would at some point turn to boredom and later to anguish. It is interresting though how many people find this idea of eternity as so appealing. It would be interresting to probe into what they think it is supposed to be like. Do they think it is going to resemble some sort of drug induced oblivion, or what? Strawberryfields for ever?

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      • That reminds me of the classic Twilight Zone episode where the bookworm (who never had time to read) was the only person to survive a nuclear apocalypse. He excitedly arranges all the books he wants to read, stacking them up in order in huge towers surrounding him, then as he sits down (smiling gleefully) to open the first his glasses fall off and shatter.

        It’s clear theists don’t put any thought into eternity. If they did they wouldn’t be so excited about it.

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  6. Morning John,

    I’m finished with a earnest, yet dedicated forced birth advocate who has said malignant gems such as this:

    Catholicism is about love, defined as “willing the good of the other” by St. Thomas Aquinas. It’s about striving to be holy.

    I haven’t argued with a the dyed in the wool delusional theist (okay, maybe Prayson but he doesn’t count) in awhile and would appreciate if you could stop by and fine tune some the “arguments” being thrown around in the thread.

    I’ve got the abortion part nailed down, but the belief in the grand ooga-booga and how awesome it is tests my civility. Thus I have nothing past having her watch the Intelligence Squared debate with the question :”Is the Catholic Church a force for good?” a thousand times. 🙂

    Thanks in advance.

    Arb

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  8. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
    (1 Corinthians 1:19)

    I can see where the Nazis got their bright idea to burn books from!
    From a naturalist point of view the forests were buggered long before it became fashionable to harp on about protecting them.
    That kind of bedtime reading is not for the lighthearted, or the bushy of brow!

    TSK

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    • I’m sitting here in what remains of the once mighty Atlantic Forest, comparable 500 years ago to the Amazon, but decimated in just 16 generations since Portuguese settlement.

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  9. And the Portuguese were devout catholics? So we can blame the Christians for the decimation of the rain-forests? Man they’ve got a lot on their shoulders. So much bull-crap could fertilise a whole new forest, and then some!

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      • When you start scribing lines all over the landscape in order to apportion blame you get something that looks awful messy, rather like a map of the world no less. Of course it’s easier to soften the blow by generalising, but it doesn’t detract from the fact that religion, and Christianity per se has been instrumental in much of how the modern world is in terms of political structure. Of course we mustn’t neglect personal agency, and the acts of the few individuals who have thrown the baby out with the bathwater so to speak in order to exact change whether for the good of one or none. But too many blind eyes turned don’t save lives or trees.

        TSK

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