The part that gets me is that like the “accepted” scriptures, this gospel was discovered centuries after the fact (almost 20!). For millennia monks – under the cover of darkness and blankets whispered: “Did you hear about the man in the linen cloth? Come here, let me show you…”
Never made it out of the cutting room floor as far as we know. The only reference to it is in the Mar Saba letter written by Clement of Alexandria. He says he didn’t like the naked boy parts. He was replying to a guy called Theodore who was asking about a section which read “naked man with naked man.”
This should have been part of the real canon. Interesting story, explains the catholic priests indulgences with little boys, there are deep lessons here!
I read a commentary that suggests this might be the same boy, but it was inconclusive. The kid/lover in this “secret” segment Jesus raised from the dead… then it appears banged him all night long. Those gnostics, quite the lads! 🙂
This kinda lends new meaning to “suffer little children, and forbid them not to come unto me.”
But hey — what happens in Judea, stays in Judea. Or perhaps it’s “When in Rome…” Either way, the priesthood seems committed to honoring the the sacred tradition established by its founder.
No, but I’m not surprised. And the evangelicals are no better. The next time someone claims you can’t be moral without belief in their Middle Eastern god (I’ve really taken a shine to that term because it’s so totally apropos) just send them over to this site and ask them to explain how that’s working out. Then patiently count down the seconds to the “No True(tm) Christian” response.
One of the benefits of such exchanges is the wealth of new information gleaned from the research you’re forced to conduct to debunk their ad-hoc explanations. In that particular one I learned stuff I never knew about Herod Archelaus, the lack of archaeological evidence for the existence of the town of Bethlehem during Herod’s reign, and Josephus’ story about the impostor who duped people into giving him money by assuming the role of Alexander, Herod’s executed son. That last one is detrimental to the resurrection claims because it provides ample evidence of just how easily people could have been deceived by someone claiming to be the “risen” messiah (pun intended); which is why Potato dismissed it with “ROFL” and protests of being off-topic. (And in my experience, increased usage of superfluous invectives like “HAHA”, “ROFl” and “LMFAO” are telltale nervous signs indicating your opponent realizes s/he’s been caught naked in the headlights.)
Agreed… That exchange has been good from a purely education perspective, not least of all for learning about CMJC! 🙂
Are you talking about Bethlehem or Nazareth? By all archaeological accounts Nazareth wasn’t settled until the early to middle 2nd Century. This is yet another blunder in the gospels.
Apparently, the archaeological digs indicate the town of Bethlehem in Judea was unoccupied during Herod’s time, but there was a town of Bethlehem located in Galilee close to present-day Nazareth. I cant find the full article online, but here is an abstract.
Ahhh, so we have no Bethlehem and no Nazareth. Well, the nativity is pretty clearly an invention, but if we add that now to no hometown either then this story just gets weaker and weaker. Soon someone’s going to tell me Jesus didn’t slaughter a gaggle of fire-breathing dragons on his way to Egypt when he was 2 years old. 🙂
BTW… Yes, “Middle Eastern god” does seem to get Christians riled in ever so precious ways. Seems to be a sore point for them, something they really, seriously, positively hate hearing… So, go forth and spread the Good Word 🙂
I certainly will! I also like to pose epistemological questions (“how do you know that?”) so they can’t just run off and copy-paste canned answers from some apologetics site.
I saw that in your comment to Diana. I think she’s gone, though. You should pop by her site… it’s odd. She’s a full-blown young earth creationist. Check out her Evolution/Medicine article and the one on Hitler.
Of course “Middle Eastern god” gets them riled up. Too damned limiting, too understatementish—theirs is the one sole only unique true God of the entire universe*, no?
* And any/all of the myriad universes beyond that one. (I get a bit lost sometimes)
I just get images of this before undisclosed ‘secret gospel’ being printed up into pamphlets and distributed on the quiet by the clergy like a dirty mag. Deviant fuckers!
So euhm…does the secret gospel of Mark come with more illustrations? I would love to have the Vatican hang those on the wall…Seems more honest, actually.
thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com 
Can’t understand why this wasn’t part of the biblical canon. 🙂
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Well, I suppose those “after dark” lessons kept the neighbours up… not very Christian 🙂
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You’ve spotted it. I wonder how many others will, or will they turn the blind eye? Whatever … it’s the Gospel truth, no?
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Well, it’s the “secret” truth… the truth Clement of the Stomateis (Alexandria) didn’t want getting out there
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I’ve often wondered about the youth seen running away clad only in a sheet—forgotten where in the Good Book though. Bugger. (Oops …)
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That part stayed in the “sanctioned” version of Mark (14:51). This episode was removed. Is he the same kid-lover Jesus sleeps with? Possibly.
Here’s an article on it:
http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/id5.html
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The part that gets me is that like the “accepted” scriptures, this gospel was discovered centuries after the fact (almost 20!). For millennia monks – under the cover of darkness and blankets whispered: “Did you hear about the man in the linen cloth? Come here, let me show you…”
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Thanks, it’s going to take me days to erase that image from my head 🙂
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Perhaps you’ll be a believer yet. Enjoy!
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The “secret” Gospel of Mark? Was this removed from the bible?
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Never made it out of the cutting room floor as far as we know. The only reference to it is in the Mar Saba letter written by Clement of Alexandria. He says he didn’t like the naked boy parts. He was replying to a guy called Theodore who was asking about a section which read “naked man with naked man.”
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Drenn, this is a good article concerning the “secret” parts of Marks gospel.
http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/id5.html
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RFLMFAO.
Once again, as I scrolled down my reader and saw the pic and the words I just friggin knew this was your’s way before I saw John Z.
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Happy Jesus… selling tricks in return for “secret” knowledge. It’s a bit creepy, isn’t it?
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Gives a whole new twist to the phrase, “Rise up my child.”
eeeek..run a mile.
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Hey, it’s just Jesus Milk.
Kid you not, that’s true:
http://www.vaticancrimes.us/2013/01/evangelical-pastor-convinced-followers.html
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This should have been part of the real canon. Interesting story, explains the catholic priests indulgences with little boys, there are deep lessons here!
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Couldn’t you have possibly thought of a different word to use than, “deep”? 😉
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Now that you mention it, I doubt if there is any word in the place of deep 😛
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The Lord is my Dom master
I shall not argue.
He maketh me down to lie
In latex sheets He cuddleth me
And I begin to sigh…
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Is that the “secret” bedtime hymn at Kings College?
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Jesus College surely?
(And you should see what they get up to in Trinity College!)
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Dude, you got good Gay-dar!
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I pissed myself laughing when i first heard that word in Sydney.
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Next you are going to tell us that Fankenscense and Myrrh are just lube! Naughty, naughty man! ;o)
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“Myrrh, just $9.99… It takes the Grrr out of the Uharrr!”
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I wonder if part of that “mystery” involved the ‘staff of life’.
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Of course, a wizard isn’t worth his salt without a sizable wand 😉
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oh my (in best Takei voice).
so, is that bit in the Secret Gospel of Mark, have its finale in the supposed “actual” gospel of Mark?
Mark 14:51 A young man, wearing nothing but a linen garment, was following Jesus. When they seized him, 52 he fled naked, leaving his garment behind.
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I read a commentary that suggests this might be the same boy, but it was inconclusive. The kid/lover in this “secret” segment Jesus raised from the dead… then it appears banged him all night long. Those gnostics, quite the lads! 🙂
Here’s a good article on gay Jesus
http://www.skeptically.org/newtestament/id5.html
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Genius. I feel I have written some good erotica, but wow…nothing like this. 😉
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Hey, I didn’t write it! I just copy n’ pasted it from Clement of Alexandria’s letter 🙂
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Naughty, naughty… I’m gonna have to break out the linen for my partner sometime!
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Does he like to role-play as a wondering gnostic magician? That’d be sooooo very cool! 🙂
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Yes, and his strength-training consists of rolling giant stone around. 😉
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B’wahaaa! 🙂
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ha ha I lol’d when I saw that one
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You can see why the church fathers edited that part out, right?
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This kinda lends new meaning to “suffer little children, and forbid them not to come unto me.”
But hey — what happens in Judea, stays in Judea. Or perhaps it’s “When in Rome…” Either way, the priesthood seems committed to honoring the the sacred tradition established by its founder.
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Yeah, and the promise of “secret knowledge” hasn’t changed much since, either. Did you see this?
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/paedophile-priest-told-boy-7-he-could-get-dead-grandfather-into-heaven-if-he-performed-sex-act-29389769.html
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No, but I’m not surprised. And the evangelicals are no better. The next time someone claims you can’t be moral without belief in their Middle Eastern god (I’ve really taken a shine to that term because it’s so totally apropos) just send them over to this site and ask them to explain how that’s working out. Then patiently count down the seconds to the “No True(tm) Christian” response.
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Holy crap, that’s a depressingly long list. I’ll say “thank you,” but that seems wildly inappropriate considering the content.
So we’ve dumped Potato, i see. Good. Chalk another one up for nonsensical Christian apologetics 🙂
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One of the benefits of such exchanges is the wealth of new information gleaned from the research you’re forced to conduct to debunk their ad-hoc explanations. In that particular one I learned stuff I never knew about Herod Archelaus, the lack of archaeological evidence for the existence of the town of Bethlehem during Herod’s reign, and Josephus’ story about the impostor who duped people into giving him money by assuming the role of Alexander, Herod’s executed son. That last one is detrimental to the resurrection claims because it provides ample evidence of just how easily people could have been deceived by someone claiming to be the “risen” messiah (pun intended); which is why Potato dismissed it with “ROFL” and protests of being off-topic. (And in my experience, increased usage of superfluous invectives like “HAHA”, “ROFl” and “LMFAO” are telltale nervous signs indicating your opponent realizes s/he’s been caught naked in the headlights.)
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Agreed… That exchange has been good from a purely education perspective, not least of all for learning about CMJC! 🙂
Are you talking about Bethlehem or Nazareth? By all archaeological accounts Nazareth wasn’t settled until the early to middle 2nd Century. This is yet another blunder in the gospels.
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Apparently, the archaeological digs indicate the town of Bethlehem in Judea was unoccupied during Herod’s time, but there was a town of Bethlehem located in Galilee close to present-day Nazareth. I cant find the full article online, but here is an abstract.
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Ahhh, so we have no Bethlehem and no Nazareth. Well, the nativity is pretty clearly an invention, but if we add that now to no hometown either then this story just gets weaker and weaker. Soon someone’s going to tell me Jesus didn’t slaughter a gaggle of fire-breathing dragons on his way to Egypt when he was 2 years old. 🙂
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BTW… Yes, “Middle Eastern god” does seem to get Christians riled in ever so precious ways. Seems to be a sore point for them, something they really, seriously, positively hate hearing… So, go forth and spread the Good Word 🙂
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I certainly will! I also like to pose epistemological questions (“how do you know that?”) so they can’t just run off and copy-paste canned answers from some apologetics site.
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I saw that in your comment to Diana. I think she’s gone, though. You should pop by her site… it’s odd. She’s a full-blown young earth creationist. Check out her Evolution/Medicine article and the one on Hitler.
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She’ll be back. She was active for a while on this thread at Daz’s site. She also writes (wrote?) sporadically for the Milwaukee Evangelical Examiner.
Alan Scott, OTH, seems to have moved on. I wonder why? 🙂
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Of course “Middle Eastern god” gets them riled up. Too damned limiting, too understatementish—theirs is the one sole only unique true God of the entire universe*, no?
* And any/all of the myriad universes beyond that one. (I get a bit lost sometimes)
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Yikes – what a list!
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It creeped me out the first time you quoted this several posts ago… enough to put a shudder in yer udder!
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You can see why Clement (or some other “editor”) had this section removed. So much for the inerrant word, eh?
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I just get images of this before undisclosed ‘secret gospel’ being printed up into pamphlets and distributed on the quiet by the clergy like a dirty mag. Deviant fuckers!
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So euhm…does the secret gospel of Mark come with more illustrations? I would love to have the Vatican hang those on the wall…Seems more honest, actually.
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The forbidden Stations! 🙂
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No wonder Cardinal Pell acted like Himself … roll models, hey?
(Not a typo—think of rolling, and hay …)
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