At the risk of getting totally off topic this is another video of Jack Black having problems in the circumcision region. It was an MTV parody on the Council of Elrond from the 2001 Fellowship of the Ring movie:
Mo was an infidel who didn’t kiss enough ass. After he started hearing voices, Abe cut off his genitals and tried to murder his child.
ISIS thinks this makes perfect sense although their knifes are too big for balls.
JZ, I have been following your blog for a long time now, and just want to say how absolutely fantastic it is. Your meme’s are spot on showing the ridiculousness of this religious nonsense. The above meme is an excellent example. How can one seriously believe that this is a wonderful story? Reminds of the Dylan song, Highway 61. On my way to Atheism, this was one of the major steps. Being brought up Southern Baptist in Mississippi, this one story along with Noah’s Ark led me to sanity. If we had the internet back in the day, it would have been a quicker trip! Thanks again and keep up the great work.
“Here we are in the 21st Century, and a large chunk of the world still worships the god of Abraham—a man supposedly commanded by God to kill his own son to prove his love for that god.
What must these religions do to the mind of believers to even allow them to describe the story of Abraham as beautiful?
Which of us would leave Abraham in charge of our children? Imagine how scripture and theology must pervert the pathways and processes of the human mind, and perhaps the very psyche of our species.”
They already have. Here in America, anyway. There’s an awful lot of “Noah’s Ark Daycare” facilities. I can’t recall ever seeing an “Abraham’s Altar Daycare”.
Gary North, the lunatic dominionist, runs daycare centres. Wonderful business unit for a man who wants to introduce the stoning of children in America public squares.
Does he? I didn’t know that. I knew that he’d written some curriculum(Bible, of course) for Ron Paul, but I didn’t know he actually ran day care centers. *shudders*
Just tried to find it, but couldn’t, and forget where I originally read about it. I found an article by him encouraging people to start child care centers.
Concerned about the effect on minds? I’m a little more worried about real world pernicious effects. We need to look no further than the lunacy over the hand-wringing whether it is better to commit the ‘evil’ of contraception or the ‘good’ and produce a microcephaly baby. Gosh, that’s a conundrum… not.
True, dat. But if well-educated compatibilists and accommodationists (those who think religious belief and reality are perfectly compatible) can’t even recognize obvious lunacy from what in any other circumstance would be easily identifiable as such, then the condition known as religious morality is fast approaching terminal stupidity.
One of the many (oh so many) “events” in the Bible that told me it is a bunch of sadistic crock and the dudes who wrote it are full of it, as is their deity. I was in third grade, IIRC. (Not that the grip of religion on my life automatically disappeared then — that took much longer.)
I was in Sunday School class when this topic came up. We were studying Abraham and his act of faithfulness(it’s hard for me to believe that I once believed that, *sounds of vomiting*).
Several of us did chime in and say that today if someone said this and/or did this we’d say they were nuts and put them in a padded room. “And rightly so”, said the teacher. “God no longer speaks to us the way he spoke to Abraham.” That one got swept under the rug as she explained to us that Abraham believed that Yahweh would provide. Even had he sacrificed his only(Well, almost only. Obviously Ishmael didn’t count) son Yahweh could have raised him from the dead.
It was a test of faith. And a challenge was issued to us all as to whether we had such great faith. None of us did. Yahweh need not even hint. What an insane thought.
If you take the bible as one of the pillars of European cultura and not as God’s word, you will find its beauty comparable to Shakespeare’s tragedies, also full of beauty expressed through extreme violence. Judging from the cultural creations are about violence, probably violence appeals even more to the humans than sex.
If you take the Bible as one of the pillars of European culture you will find its literature beauty comparable to Shakespeare’s tragedies, full of beauty due to its vicious cruelty. Take all the big Shakespeare playes like Macbeth, Hamlet, Othelo, or even Romeo and Juliet. They are full of evil and vicious violence. It seems humans are driven by some irresistible force towards the beauty of unlimitedly cruel violence, otherwise all those film genres based on violence could not exist. Probably this is why the Bible has become the most popular book in human history and not, some Yoga book, full of love and peaceful spirituality.
Abraham’s Baby Sitting Service: Drop your kid off with ole Abe, and, if your lucky, Yahweh doesn’t tell him to cut out his heart with a carving knife. Lovely story, this. Those who tell it to children should be put on a list which bans them ever having contact with children again.
Sadly, very few. Colourstorm pops in from time to time to water the plants, Phadde drops by to show he’s still angry at everything, Insanity did a drive-by shooting a while ago, but it’s otherwise been quite barren. I made a new friend in Cindy over on Wally’s blog over the weekend, but she’s already threatening to ban me, so i doubt she’ll grace us. Pity.
As you may or may not have seen/known John, I tried my absolute hardest to carry on civil constructive dialogue with ColorStorm weeks ago — picked up a very polite ‘aquaintance’ (theancients) along the way who COULD talk with common courtesy — but it was literally like speaking with (or rather listening only) to a member of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, or Jewish Zionist. All similiar. In many cases identical, no differences.
(in his rhetorical voice again) — Why is it so SO difficult for these extremists to carry on a normal courteous conversation… even about other non-religious, non-theological subjects? 😮
Sadly true. It makes me very sad for them, never angry… because the human brain is unbelievably erroneous & malleable to its immediate & sub-immediate environs. I get it. 😦
But I guess just like other hominids still around on this planet… some species do not evolve fast at all, then possibly/probably(?) go extinct, eh? 😉
….and while the professor and johns of the andes will be long dead………God will still be God……….ever proving Himself with daily consistency……..while the creatures he gives breath to,.shake the fist in rebellion.
Amusing really. Evolution? Ha, you should be so embarrassed that the god evolution has produced the depravity of man. Proof? Uh, yeah, just look at the comments on your own blogs. 😉
John,
If you recall, I have told you on numerous occasions that the body is perfectly designed.
Evolution has no claim there. You are arguing for intelligence thank you.
Societal shifts prove God’s word is true, while evolution boasts of meaningless answers.
Only the scriptures answer as to the bent of the heart, we have been through this a dozen times.My answers never change, while yours ‘adapts’ and are unstable as water.
But I have always agreed as to the wonder of the human eye.
Perhaps you have not considered it long enough………seriously jz, a non thinking entity, having no clue what life is………somehow decided (having no clue what a brain is) that it needed to see…………having no clue what vision is……….
You really may want to rethink your worldview, as it does not pass the reality and common sense test.
You’ve got yourself a bad name – must have been when SOM crowned you the Great Atheist. Or was that Insanity? Speaking of ColorStorm (and hoping he’s not lurking) – surely an entertaining side project for an atheist? That’s the kind of person I’d invent if I had the time or ability, comedy gold, even better than SOM.
Colourstorm (and yes, he’s not just lurking, he’s here) is the Poster Boy for why the evangelical population in the US is plummeting. That kind of madness is beautifully repulsive.
And that’s 3-billion out of 7.4 billion, or in other words, 41% of the planet!!! HOLY CRAPOLA Batman!!! Is that figure declining or rising!? Say it isn’t possible John! 😮 😉
You already know the answer to that, Professor, and Muslim apologists are far, far worse than Christians… They’re still grappling with the earth being round and mobile 😦
And as is often quoted & promoted, the “Holy Bible” is the most read book — and argueably the most popular — in all of history! One would think with MANY bizarre & horrific passages, like with Abe, that the trend would be declining sharply given the evolved brain capacities of humans! 😮
And the continuing discoveries in Quantum Physics — e.g. the God Particle — and genetics/DNA, stem-cell, et al. Fantastic mind-blowing stuff that in concert clearly show this Earth, our existence, is nothing even CLOSE to singular or monistic! Only omnifarious beyond our comprehension… and that is so wonderfully exciting, as well as humbling! 😀
Meet the Republican members of the Congressional “Science” Committee.
Todd Akin (R-MZ): “Pregnancy from rape is really rare. If it’s legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.”
Ralph Hall (R-TX): “We have some real challenges; we have the global warming or global freezing and then we have the space, the NASA program, that’s enough for any one committee.”
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI): “I personally believe that the solar flares are more responsible for climate cycles than anything that human beings do.”
Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA): “Is there some thought being given to the clearing of rainforests so some countries can eliminate that source of greenhouse gases?”
Paul Broun (R-GA): “Scientists all over the world say that the idea of human induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated by the scientific community. It is a hoax. There is no scientific consensus.”
Sandy Adams (R-FL): “I am encouraging us to reduce funding for climate change research, which undercuts one of NASA’s primary and most important objectives of human spaceflight.”
Mo Brooks (R-AL): “We have higher levels of carbon dioxide. That means that plant life grows better. Does that mean I want more of it? I don’t know about the adverse effects of carbon dioxide on human beings.”
“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell… And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), 5th Oct, 2012
Ugh. 😦 John, did you HAVE to mention Ralph Hall from my great proud state of Texas!? 😉
I could share with you so many stories, like this you’ve shown John, on a weekly basis. Just last week while waiting on my car’s oil-change (30-45 mins or so), I was surrounded by 2 men & 1 woman (in their 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s) customers, and 2 more women employed their behind the counter… all going on & on about God/Jesus, church, bible-studies, and the “miracles” the Almighty wrought from their elderly ailments. John, here it is to epidemic proportions! In fact, when I picked up a Voters Guide newspaper for all the many upcoming primary elections, care to guess what party 80% – 85% of the candidate portfolios were “represented”?
If you are referring to the already changed Texas demographic of Anglo-Saxon (Caucasin) to majority Hispanic, that happened in 2013. Unfortunately, that doesn’t represent voter turnout, voter ‘education’ and education level attained, or that registering to vote is easier or reflective of Texas demographics. This article is accurate:
Besides, like W. Bush and his party executed in 2003…
…Texas Gerrymandering has been and is perfected, and can be again in order to keep the state Red for as long as possible. Just because Texas is now heavily Hispanic doesn’t mean some of those Hispanics won’t turn into Ted Cruz protégés. 😮
Isn’t that some scary shit? This is what we get when we undermine public education and try to make wiggle room for religious and other faith-based beliefs to be considered a ‘respectable’ alternative rather than what it is: reality-denying batshit craziness (no offense intended to the real crazies, of course).
John, while we’re on the subject of politics above, this is an OUTSTANDING article about Walt Whitman on Donald Trump by Bulgarian writer, blogger, and critic Maria Popova:
You know what I think about him already (https://asifoscope.org/2014/10/01/original-sin/). By todays standards, he would end up in a closed psychiatric ward. Or taking some anti-psychotic drugs. However, that depends on the part of the world he would be in. In some areas, such people have the opportunity to lead armies and start wars (think of Joseph Kony in Uganda).
It’s sexually transmitted and so no one is safe in this regard. As for the compatible mosquitoes themselves, climate change in North America will bring them to about Idaho in the next ten years.
That would appear to be a likely scenario, and often overlooked. People in different latitudes aren’t physically equipped to fight the diseases from other (more tropical) latitudes.
The atheist saying all these horrible things about Abraham is like a Bible Belt hick looking at Michelangelo’s, David and screaming, “It’s gaul derned pornography!”
Ugh! Insufferably superior and grossly exaggerated characterization of the American South. Don’t know the nature of your biases, but I’m guessing you never spent any real time there.
I don’t get it John. What is wrong with God testing Abraham? After all, we are all tested in a myriad of ways, by a variety of testers. And what does genitals have to do with Genesis 22?
OK, now I understand, you call circumcision cut up genitals, very strange. You don’t really want an idiot version sermon about circumcision do you, I mean you already know it.
If I was Abraham, and have been talking to God, more appropriately talked to and instructed BY GOD, talked to and led by God, and He told me to sacrifice my son to Him then yes, I would, trusting God to do the right thing which is NOT killing an innocent young one.
”OK, now I understand, you call circumcision cut up genitals, very strange.”
gen•i•tal
ˈjenədl/
noun
plural noun: genitals
1. a person or animal’s external organs of reproduction.
What do you think your genitals are, Roy?
”If I was Abraham, and have been talking to God, more appropriately talked to and instructed BY GOD, talked to and led by God, and He told me to sacrifice my son to Him then yes, I would, trusting God to do the right thing which is NOT killing an innocent young one.”
Firstly, I asked if you, Roy, would kill your child if instructed to. Would you? Stephon Lindsay did. His faith is incredible, yes? In your mind, he should be celebrated, right? He did precisely what Yhwh instructed him to do. His faith is as great as Abraham’s.
“She’s in a bag,” Stephon Lindsay told police. “I just did what I was told to do.”
Lindsay told police he didn’t want to killed his 20-month-old daughter, but said “I only did what he (Yhwh) told me to do to her…”
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
1) A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
2) A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men.
3) Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
4) Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
5) Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
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The Bible contains MANY health related laws, all valid and verified as correct and advisable by current scientific knowledge, all when the Egyptians at the time thought putting animal dung on open wounds was a good idea.
I can not read without putting glasses on. I also had to stop eating sugary foods and unnecessary carbs to loose weight, horrifying. More blunders?
Did I circumcise my son’s? No. Why not? I was not commanded to so.
God told Israel, “Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer.”
Apostle Paul teaches in Romans 2. “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.” And later, “Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?”
It seems it isn’t for you to understand the things of God, sorry about your bad luck dude.
Yeah, my bad luck. Not the case for Stephon Lindsay, though, right? His faith was strong, unbreakable, in fact. He did precisely what Yhwh told him to do: Kill his child.
Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
Roy, you still haven’t answered my earlier question. If Yhwh told you to murder your child, would you? Would you have the same rock solid faith as Mr. Lindsay? Would you obey Yhwh?
BTW, Roy… Valerie Tarico has written a superb article: Evangelical Christianity’s Brand Is Used Up which Insanitybytes has done a follow up to. Both articles are thoroughly impressive. As an evangelical, I’d be interested to hear your reaction to both (either here, or on Insanity’s blog)
I don’t know what Insanity’s blog is but I did click the link. Stupid.
Her about page states,”As a writer Valerie tackles the intersection between religious belief, psychology and politics, with a growing focus on women’s issues and contraceptive technologies that she thinks are upstream game changers for a broad range of challenges that humanity faces.”
Hardly an authority on Christ Saviour. An unbeliever has no authority, they twist, unlike yourself, with denial and objections until the final burning.
I already answered you. YES. In the context taken. Abraham was tested. Isaac lives and Lindsay hears Satan and is a murder. Abraham is God’s chosen and his dissidents multiplied. Satan speaks in Gods name, we are warned in the Bible of his wiles, the insane hear Satan and kill their children and you put forth propaganda , Satan’s ally. Again with your twisted tales.
Mental illness is very real Nan and I feel for their suffering. Shit happens and nothing is guaranteed perfect these days. If a mentally ill person says God told me then the only explanation is Satan since God has never commanded someone kill their child. John likes to twist Scripture, but it is a fact Abraham did not kill his child.
“Be on your guard and stay awake. Your enemy, the devil, is like a roaring lion, sneaking around to find someone to attack.” 1 Peter 5:8 (CEV)
So, will you be travelling to Alabama to support Stephon Lindsay and protest his death sentence? He’s a man of God, a faithful servant. Would not Yhwh want you to defend him?
Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
Apparently, Yhwh also told Stephon Lindsay to kill his child.
You just convicted yourself, God tells him to sacrifice, Satan tells him to kill. God stops him since it is a test, Satan’s remains silent and the child dies. You are one twisted dued.
“Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
There is no “Pssst, hey, Abraham, I’m just kidding… Go along with it, it’ll be fun”
And Roy, will you be travelling to Alabama to support Stephon Lindsay and protest his death sentence? He’s a man of God, a faithful servant. Would not Yhwh want you to defend him?
Your right, Abraham was lead by God for dozens upon dozens of years. They had a relationship and Abe knew God, TRUSTED God. This sacrifice request didn’t come on day-one of the relationship.
You cast your perversion out of context. ABRAHAM knew GOD, TRUSTED God. If it is God will I sacrifice my son to Him then that is God’s will.
I do not have a history of mental illness like your puppet Mr. Lindsay.
Of course I’m right. I don’t lie. I don’t have to, unlike apologists.
I do not have a history of mental illness like your puppet Mr. Lindsay.
My puppet? Um, I believe he’s Yhwh’s puppet. It was Yhwh who spoke to him. Why don’t you believe this man of great faith, Roy? He obeyed Yhwh’s command. What faith! Why aren’t you in Alabama supporting him? He has communicated with Yhwh. Yours is a revealed religion, is it not? Well, Mr. Lindsey has had a revelation. He is a conduit between man and God.
And again, there was no “Pssst, hey, Abraham, I’m just kidding… Go along with it, it’ll be fun.” Yhwh said, kill your child. Abraham, like Mr. Lindsay, obeyed… and so would you, you say.
Yea Nan, I don’t know really if anyone hearing Satan actually acknowledges they are, like you imply. I don’t “think they believe in him too” either. Mental illness sucks. Mothers drowning their kids suck. Anyone killing their kids sucks.
I would add Nan, that a lot of hurt souls like to swap words. They exchange the word sacrifice for kill. They use the mentally ill to support their false interpretations. It’s sad really, the lost and forsaken, forever to wander, forever to fight and struggle with the Wall.
Do you agree that the insane see things, hear things, sometimes talk to things that are not there? If so, consider this. Satan does not exist. He is a creation of the apocalytic writers during the intertestamental period. The early Jews did not believe in the “satan” that “exists” in the Christian world today. He came “into being” after the Exile and is nothing but a figment of imagination.
Thus, if you believe in Satan, what does that say about you?
It was, but now I’m dead, and my name is Bob the wise one. Anyone not believing in me will suffer a penile mutilation like you wouldn’t believe. Oh, and only an idiot wouldn’t believe that Allah is the one and only real God. Thanks. Have a great night.
I’ll tell you Nan it impresses me you responded. Many here appear to fear discourse. I don’t want to preach to you since I know you do not like that.
The sun rises on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Wealth is just one of the dozens of aspects of love God offers and I share that and many other things.
Come on Nan, Satan does not exist, really. So God does not exist and the whole of the Bible is fable. If that is what you believe then say so, so we have starting point. It’s all a fable in your mind, right?
What you claim, specifically, is false. It is a lie you read somewhere.
Even though Satan is first mentioned by name in Job, previous historical accounts record his actions (see Genesis 3, when Satan influenced the serpent, and Genesis 4 where Cain belonged to him (1 John 3:12).
You are a bit more crafty than John, not quoting Scripture, but lies show themselves out, eventually.
In the New Testament, other names reveal more about Satan’s current nature. Devil (diabolos) means “false accuser, Satan, slanderer” in Greek and is the word from which the English word diabolical is formed. Satan is called a dragon in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2, as well as the “evil one” in several places. Revelation 12:9 calls him “that ancient serpent” or “serpent of old,” and Matthew 4:3 calls him the “tempter.” Other names for Satan include Abaddon (destruction), Apollyon (destroyer, Revelation 9:11), Beelzebub or Beelzebul (Matthew 12:27) and Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15). Satan is also referred to as the god of this world/age (2 Corinthians 4:4), prince of this world (John 12:31), and father of lies (John 8:44).
Truth from The Koran: 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.” The christian and the atheist await the same fire of hell that Allah has prepared for them. Sad, but true. Zande and his christian blasphemers will burn together in the same fire: 3:56: “As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.” Burn, blasphemers, burn!
I would LOVE to respond, Leroy, but my brain is tired. I will say this and may say more tomorrow so stay tuned. I’m not speaking “from the hip” as I spent considerable time doing research on the birth and existence of Satan (along with several other subjects) so I know what I’m talking about. You are speaking from the Christian POV, which is incorrect but is etched into the minds of Christians by hundreds of years of indoctrination. More tomorrow (if John will allow me the space). Toodles.
And may Beelzebub continue to bless Roy’s stock portfolio…and may he continue to have the arrogance and presumption to relay his days buys and sells as if anyone is interested.
Here is the truth: 2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, Islâmic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any protector nor helper.” Can any words be truer? Can ANY truth be clearer? WTF is wrong with atheists like Zande and blaspheming christians like Roy? There is NO God but Allah, and Mohammad IS His Prophet. Are you both daft? Do you wish to burn? WTF? Read the truth and learn it! Stop your ignorance! The christian, Roy, what a blind fool you are to follow this infidel, Zande into Hell, BUT, Allah expects your stupidity and Hell awaits you for it. Allahu akbar
It is not genuine IBTD. Koran 5 was written 6-7 hundred years after the Bible version. The Koran is all about political control and control over pussy. We see it today. Islam is only about the political elite and control over it’s people and the peoples pussy. Mo wanted control and invented a perversion of what he already knew. He lived and grew up with Jews and knew their teachings and perverted them for his own gain, money and young pussy. Just like any corrupt society they take the ball and run with it making more laws to further cement their control.
Truth from The Koran: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” Believe, or burn you deceitful liar. You spawn of Satan. You blasphemous dog! Allah has made a Hell for you. I hope you like the feeling of your flesh burning from your bone for an eternity, for that is what your blaspheme has brought you. Read. Meditate, and learn from The One True God, Allah, or burn. It is your choice. All logic, all reason. all learning points to Islam as truth and christianity as a blasphemous lie. Learn or burn.
Yes Nan, it is late here too where I am. 1020pm. Start a new thread, I hate scrolling up so far.
JZ, do you live in a dirt floor thatched roof hut in where-who Brazil? Wealth creation and debt-freedom should be desirable. When I retire at 60 I still need income, don’t you?
My advice…pay off all your debts ASAP. SAVE. And invest in securities that pay dividends. Dividend Kings, Dividend Champions, and US Municipal Bond Funds. Buy your retirement income.
I live in a city that has the GDP of Norway. That city (and no, its the not the state capital) is in a state that has the GDP of Australia. The problem is, north of us are wankers.. and there’s quite a bit north of us. It’s much like America, I suppose; the prosperous irreligious north supporting the poor religious south.
Zande, to reply to a christian is to agree with the christian. WTF is your issue? Read this and learn, you ape: From The Koran: 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.” The Koran is the True Word of God. Roy is a blasphemous dog of a christian, a liar, an infidel. You, sir, are but a disbeliever. So, f**ckin’ believe, or burn. It’s your choice. Roy has already chosen fire, as most all christians do. Allahu akbar
Oh, you blasphemous man! Do you not hear the word of God? Are you simply going to argue with an atheistic fool? Read the words of God from The Koran and tremble, you weak, ignorant fool of a christian. From The Koran: 5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.” The christian is a blind oaf who can not see reality though Allah has given him eyes. What, Roy, does Truth, the Truth of God’s word, have to do with dates? Your blaspheme is clear. Your denial of God is clear. Your punishment is clear. You, and your atheist friend, Zande, will burn together in Hell. You’re both blasphemous apes who’ve no idea of God. You’ve been warned. Be prepared. You blasphemous christian dog, you.
Now you acknowledge your deception, i.e. word swap.
Abraham was lead by God for dozens upon dozens of years. They had a relationship and Abe knew God, TRUSTED God. This sacrifice request didn’t come on day-one of the relationship.
You cast your perversion out of context. ABRAHAM knew GOD, TRUSTED God.
I acknowledge nothing of the like. If you can give me another word for killing the offering (murder, really), then I’ll be happy to use it.
So, again, Yhwh says:
“Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
There is no “Pssst, hey, Abraham, I’m just kidding… Go along with it, it’ll be fun.”
You are quoting Scripture John. It isn’t going well. You will never, EVER, be able to truthfully use the Bible against itself. It is the epitome of a struggling atheists. People like me slay those who use Scripture against itself. You should know this already.
The word in Scripture you so lovingly quote is sacrifice.
Abraham was lead by God for dozens upon dozens of years. They had a relationship and Abe knew God, TRUSTED God. This sacrifice request didn’t come on day-one of the relationship. God has never commanded anyone to kill their child.
You cast your perversion out of context. ABRAHAM knew GOD, TRUSTED God.
“Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you…. and hey, Abraham, I know this all sounds really, really, really weird, you know, like completely insane, but don’t worry, just go along with it, I’m doing this as a joke, a gag, it’ll make you look FABULOUS!”
Or does it read:
“Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”
I must also let Roy be clear of this truth from The Koran. It may save his blasphemous soul from eternal damnation. From The Koran: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”
Roy, to quote dates is to quote your own damnation. Read the Truth of God. Understand God. Or, Roy, continue to be a lying, blasphemous dog and burn in Hell for your arrogance as most christians do. It is vile and offensive that you do not see the Truth. God will damn you for it regardless of whether or not you believe it.
There is none Consoled, it’s a deflection. Many Atheists tend to revert to this always, that is the default, twist Truth. When that fails, attack. When these two fail, attempt to subjugate.
Hey Leroy … Did you get my invitation to continue our conversation from last night on my blog? I’ve expanded on comments on why Satan is non-existent. Hope to see you there. 😊
I won’t pretend to speak for Drenn, I’m sure he’s more than capable of defending his position, but for your consideration, let me just show you this contemporary example which does support his comment:
Actually, I would characterize his views more as an opinion, Leroy. That is half the problem though: he’s presenting it as a statement of fact. It certainly hasn’t been my experience that Judaism “seem[s] intent on suppressing all enjoyment of life and in imposing misery.”
As far as John’s support, being charitable and calling it a religious organization rather than a political one fueled by religion, it at best shows a certain sub-section of the “Abrahamic religions seem intent on suppressing all enjoyment of life and in imposing misery.” I doubt all Christians support those statements nor do most Jews.
Nan invited me to join her in a discussion about whether Satan exists, or not. Imagine that. After three days I get banned. Seems the crazies really do not want dialog after all. Anytime the crazies at Nan’s Place do not like what they read they twist the commentators comment into a 360 degree woo-how, then tell them, get lost.
You were “banned” because you would not discuss WHY you believe in the existence of “Satan” and instead started “preaching” by quoting “salvation” scripture (so typical of Christians), bragging/talking about your investments, and the final straw … demeaning women, If you think my actions were strange, so be it.
To anyone else reading this, I welcome discussion on why you do or do not believe in the existence of “Satan.” Leroy has provided the link.
I never demeaned women Nan, another lie. I have my woman on a pedestal. I cherish her and will lay down my life for here. Her name is Cynthia Ann. It scares me to think she will die before me, I can’t live without her. She has been with me so long. I picture us together, swords and shields in hand, fighting…sweat and blood but yet victorious over the legions of evil, I love her so much. Just try me dear one.
I do not brag. I wish, so I wish, someone would have sat me down when I was young and stupid. I wish someone would have told me, Leroy, all you have to do is save $300 a month. Open a brokerage account at Fidelity and buy stock in these five Company’s, and Leroy, do this for 25 years and when you are 50 years old you will have one and a half millions dollars. Bragging about investments bull-shit. I say know how the rich get richer. Know how to make your money make money. Know wisdom. I give knowledge and I get nothing and want nothing from any of you. I do not want any comments at my blog, I do not have time for it. I’m here when I’m here and it is not consistent, but I’m drawn back, sent back, for a long time.
SATAN. Your request to discuss the existence of Satan is a sham. You don’t really know shit, just like all the rest of us.
Kind of really weird. x1NoName wants to talk to me at Nan’s Place. News Flash NoName. I have been banned. I can try all day to post a rely to you Sir/Mam at the banned site to no avail.
Poor dude wants to talk about the stars, seems I mentioned I’m an Aries. You know, the Ram. We seem to force our way through life. We are very confident, stubborn, and live our lives precariously balanced on the edge. Aries do not take shit from anyone, did I mention we ooze confidence.
The Nan posted a comment, then banned me, “doesn’t your holy book consider it a sin to consult the stars?”
I’m an Aries, God Created the Stars, who the shit has all the answers? Very strange people. So anyway, poor dude states, “the stars occurred naturally as over millions of years, hydrogen gas collected as a consequence of gravitational attraction, until the very size of the mass, combined with the compression, caused the ball of gas to heat sufficiently to ignite the hydrogen, and a star was born.”
I just had to copy this here, certain it will not be deleted. Little dude, copy and past this URL to a word dock so you can come back in 10 years and laugh with me. x1NoName I see you as Little Dude. I have no idea at all about you, I have been given a impression of you as a Little Dude, it is enduring, my dude, my love. We can talk here but I’m banned at Nan’s, any post I try to make does not show up.
And X1NoName posts another comment to me at the Censors blog. Tried again Little Dude, I’m a reject and unworthy to spit in the drink of the Diva. Whatever, moving on. Where’s the link to the Fart Post???? Where’s Waldo?
What is worst than deleting commentators posts. The owner of a blog editing their response after another responds. Makes the other look stupid and leaves the casual observer scratching their head.
She takes exception to my point of view, instead of deleting my reply why not just scrap the whole thing. Why not just wipe the whole post from existence.
I can go back here to 2013 and read the 1.3 Second Fart post, John’s post, my post, my Christos post. It’s here in all it’s glory to live forever.
Thank you, John. I’m glad somebody noticed (re: the warnings).
It’s amazing how Christians consistently change the subject when they’re pinned down. But I guess it’s understandable. Since all they have is their bi-bull, they’ve lost the ability to think for themselves and must revert to quoting scripture (or hurling insults).
And Leroy, in case you think this comment is directed at you, don’t flatter yourself. You are just one of many who fit the description.
Again, I stayed on topic John, she just didn’t like what I wrote…
Below is my last comment to Nan before I got banned. Off Topic about the existence of Satan? Y or N
John, please answer another. Can someone say she use to believe in God and now
does not. Can someone say their life was transformer by the shed blood of Christ and then later change their mind? Seems kind of fake to me…
Reply or not, just had to get this out of my heart…………
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“As far has your exception to Satan…I would imagine most Atheist hate the idea of Hell, damnation, separation, pain eternal, or the more desirable fate of all these – incinerated into non-existence . It is unpleasant to contemplate any of this. I don’t like it.
Looking at he Bible as a whole Literary Masterpiece the story must start from the first word in the OT and end with the last word in the NT.
Theologians often talk about “progressive revelation” regarding the unfolding of all truth in scripture. Those living during OT times didn’t know exactly how God was going to provide salvation for his people through the sacrifice of His Son. Sure there were prophesies about Jesus, but the Jews had no idea what He really was all about. They did understand the concept of blood sacrifice, covenants, and the need for atonement. Those living under the law had small glimpses of Satan’s work, but it took the added information of revelation in the NT to give a more complete picture. As time goes forward revelation gives us a clearer concept of a fallen angel who leads a rebellion against God’s reign and works to disrupt the work of the church.
The NT compliments the OT in this regard. Jesus’ teachings, the Apostles teachings, and Revelations gives us a clearer picture of the OT Deceiver.”
Anytime the crazies at ………. do not like what they read they twist the commentators comment into a 360 degree woo-how, then tell them, get lost.
What is interesting Leroy is that to me this perfectly describes most fundamentalist Christian blogs. I suppose bias really is in the eye of the beholder.
Having suffered banning, moderation and editing of comments by Christian blogs I suggest that the atheist and Christian community are closer in behaviour than either likes to admit.
Thought I’m always on topic John. I mean conversations do evolve, don’t they. Nathan was invented for Chris, TheGuyWithTheEye. I had to try something, seems it didn’t work.
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I don’t use “crazies” in the normal meaning Peter. I do not think you guys are mentally deranged. It is very informal, like bizarre, or intensely anxious and eager.
If this doesn’t give you a little chuckle you might be dead…
A Sunday school teacher asked the children just before she dismissed them to go to church,
“And why is it necessary to be quiet in church?”
Little Johnny jumped up and yelled, “Because people are sleeping!”
Hi Leroy as a person who spent many decades in church I appreciate a bit of Church humour. This is one that could applied to my preaching (as I had been an ordained pastor):
A boy was watching his father, a pastor, write a sermon.
“How do you know what to say?” he asked.
“Why, God tells me.”
“Oh, then why do you keep crossing things out?”
A young minister who had not spoken in public yet was asked to speak at a wedding reception. He decided to ask an older minister for some advice. The older minister said, “Pick a central thought for your talk and elaborate on that. If you find that you are loosing their attention then shock them with the following statement”. “Some of the happiest years of my life were spent in the arms of another mans wife. Once you have their attention say, “Yes…those were the years I spent in my mothers arms”.
The young minister thanked the older minister and went away to prepare his talk.
The evening of the wedding reception came and he was about 10 minutes into his talk when he noticed that he was loosing people’s attention. He stood up tall and said “I have a confession to make. Some of the happiest years of my life were spent in the arms of another man’s wife. Well this worked quite well as every eye in the entire hall was glued on him as they waited for him to continue. After a long awkward silence and becoming quite red, the young minister continued “but I forget who she was”.
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Ah, but you have to understand it in its historical context John. 😉
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🙂
Voices in head then telling you to cut up your genitals = Good.
Voices in head now telling you to cut up your genitals = Bad.
Got it.
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Apparently it went something like this (at least according to the late Harold Ramis):
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At the risk of getting totally off topic this is another video of Jack Black having problems in the circumcision region. It was an MTV parody on the Council of Elrond from the 2001 Fellowship of the Ring movie:
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My precious!
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@Hariod:
If cutting up of your genitals and killing your children was the norm “in historical context”, there would not have been many offspring …
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Exactly. Which proves God’s amazingly omniscient foresight of how overpopulation could become a huge problem 3000 years later.
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Not clear Vuurklip – you did notice my ironic wink? Or are you being ironic yourself?
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@Hariot:
Oops! Missed the irony wink …
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No problem at all Vuurklip; we Brits very rarely speak literally; everything has to be read within a Post-Python, let alone Post-Brian context. 😉
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Low blow! Low blow! Well done! Well done!
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That’s your installment of of Tuesday’s-Low-Hanging-Fruit-Show.
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Hahahahaha.
– esme falling about on the Cloud
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But.. but he is the father of faith. How can you talk about him thus
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You’re right. Any man that gives his wife out to prostitution can’t be all-bad, right?
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He was a pimp in his other life. Those are not blemishes. He profited from it excessively
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But…he got paid for her getting laid. So, Abe wasn’t so dumb…he was just perverted, sick, twisted, warped…a type of early version of some priests.
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Amen.
OT: Luke, we (the people et al.) have been wondering why you’ve deleted your site, hoping that everything is OK with you.
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🙂 Working vigorously on my new book…and loving it! Thanks for checking in on me, Emma…still here but just not as much time. Have a great day!
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Phew! Good to hear good news.
You too! (Have a great and productive day.)
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🙂
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New book? What’s your first?
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“Ark” said it made him cry…not sure if that meant he liked it or was upset he wasted the time reading it 🙂
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Excellent! I’ll get into that after I finish this last Spin book.
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Gen 22 used to be so precious to me
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Oh, it’s a literary marvel 😉
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Now it typifies all that is evil about devotion to God at the expense of my family
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First good chuckle of the day! And so many smart souls! 🙂
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And may you have many, many more 🙂
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Mo was an infidel who didn’t kiss enough ass. After he started hearing voices, Abe cut off his genitals and tried to murder his child.
ISIS thinks this makes perfect sense although their knifes are too big for balls.
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LOL
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The only thing I can say is “Wow!” Makes perfect sense!
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Doesn’t it? Nothing to see here, move along…
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JZ, I have been following your blog for a long time now, and just want to say how absolutely fantastic it is. Your meme’s are spot on showing the ridiculousness of this religious nonsense. The above meme is an excellent example. How can one seriously believe that this is a wonderful story? Reminds of the Dylan song, Highway 61. On my way to Atheism, this was one of the major steps. Being brought up Southern Baptist in Mississippi, this one story along with Noah’s Ark led me to sanity. If we had the internet back in the day, it would have been a quicker trip! Thanks again and keep up the great work.
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Cheers, my friend! You should have dived in and commented earlier. More’s the merrier.
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“Here we are in the 21st Century, and a large chunk of the world still worships the god of Abraham—a man supposedly commanded by God to kill his own son to prove his love for that god.
What must these religions do to the mind of believers to even allow them to describe the story of Abraham as beautiful?
Which of us would leave Abraham in charge of our children? Imagine how scripture and theology must pervert the pathways and processes of the human mind, and perhaps the very psyche of our species.”
~ Phil Hellenes Through These Godless Eyes
If Abe tried to pull this off today, he’d be convicted of attempted murder and either admitted to a high security mental institution or prison.
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My money’s on a secure mental institution.
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Which of us would leave Abraham in charge of our children?
I would like the religious to answer this question.
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They already have. Here in America, anyway. There’s an awful lot of “Noah’s Ark Daycare” facilities. I can’t recall ever seeing an “Abraham’s Altar Daycare”.
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Gary North, the lunatic dominionist, runs daycare centres. Wonderful business unit for a man who wants to introduce the stoning of children in America public squares.
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Does he? I didn’t know that. I knew that he’d written some curriculum(Bible, of course) for Ron Paul, but I didn’t know he actually ran day care centers. *shudders*
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Delightful, huh?
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He runs them through Dominion Education Ministries Inc.
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I Googled that and didn’t find much except a consulting firm that doesn’t list him as part of it. Still…’Scary Gary’ is a fitting name.
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Just tried to find it, but couldn’t, and forget where I originally read about it. I found an article by him encouraging people to start child care centers.
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Found this, under Gary North: Religious Views and Affiliations it mentions Dominion Ed Ministries and day care centers.
http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/CHRISTIPEDIA-tm-Theocratic-Teacher–GARY-NORTH-BRIEF-BIO-Liberal-View.html
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That may be the same thing I found:
http://www.garynorth.com/public/4699.cfm
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Noah’s Ark Daycare? It sounds ominous. Do they cull the herd there?
LOL@ Abraham’s Altar Daycare –where your child gets the loving care and attention s/he deserves. Tested and licensed by God.
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Concerned about the effect on minds? I’m a little more worried about real world pernicious effects. We need to look no further than the lunacy over the hand-wringing whether it is better to commit the ‘evil’ of contraception or the ‘good’ and produce a microcephaly baby. Gosh, that’s a conundrum… not.
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Indeed, and it’s these effects on minds that lead to the lunacy of current affairs.
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True, dat. But if well-educated compatibilists and accommodationists (those who think religious belief and reality are perfectly compatible) can’t even recognize obvious lunacy from what in any other circumstance would be easily identifiable as such, then the condition known as religious morality is fast approaching terminal stupidity.
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“Terminal stupidity” is putting it mildly.
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One of the many (oh so many) “events” in the Bible that told me it is a bunch of sadistic crock and the dudes who wrote it are full of it, as is their deity. I was in third grade, IIRC. (Not that the grip of religion on my life automatically disappeared then — that took much longer.)
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It’s an odd story, especially considering its fiction. A strange window onto Jewish humour.
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A model x-Ian! They sure don’t make em like they used too!
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In the Qur’an he’s described as Yhwh’s “best friend.”
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I was in Sunday School class when this topic came up. We were studying Abraham and his act of faithfulness(it’s hard for me to believe that I once believed that, *sounds of vomiting*).
Several of us did chime in and say that today if someone said this and/or did this we’d say they were nuts and put them in a padded room. “And rightly so”, said the teacher. “God no longer speaks to us the way he spoke to Abraham.” That one got swept under the rug as she explained to us that Abraham believed that Yahweh would provide. Even had he sacrificed his only(Well, almost only. Obviously Ishmael didn’t count) son Yahweh could have raised him from the dead.
It was a test of faith. And a challenge was issued to us all as to whether we had such great faith. None of us did. Yahweh need not even hint. What an insane thought.
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Now there’s a guy you want to work for, as Lewis Black says 🙂
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If you take the bible as one of the pillars of European cultura and not as God’s word, you will find its beauty comparable to Shakespeare’s tragedies, also full of beauty expressed through extreme violence. Judging from the cultural creations are about violence, probably violence appeals even more to the humans than sex.
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I wish people would view it as an origin tale intertwined with wisdom tradition.
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If you take the Bible as one of the pillars of European culture you will find its literature beauty comparable to Shakespeare’s tragedies, full of beauty due to its vicious cruelty. Take all the big Shakespeare playes like Macbeth, Hamlet, Othelo, or even Romeo and Juliet. They are full of evil and vicious violence. It seems humans are driven by some irresistible force towards the beauty of unlimitedly cruel violence, otherwise all those film genres based on violence could not exist. Probably this is why the Bible has become the most popular book in human history and not, some Yoga book, full of love and peaceful spirituality.
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Seems in line with why in ancient cultures the mentally unstable were seen as “touched” by god(s) 😉
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A glass and a half of temporal lobe epilepsy in every prophet!
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Abraham’s Baby Sitting Service: Drop your kid off with ole Abe, and, if your lucky, Yahweh doesn’t tell him to cut out his heart with a carving knife. Lovely story, this. Those who tell it to children should be put on a list which bans them ever having contact with children again.
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It’s a gem.
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Cf. https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2016/02/23/the-baffler-reviews-faith-versus-fact/
And cf: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-psychology-of-the-breathtakingly-stupid-mistake/?WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20160223
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“The Psychology of the Breathtakingly Stupid Mistake”
I think that title deserves a Pulitzer.
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Nice! I’m not sure how Christians explain that these days. Do any still pop over here or did you scare them all off?
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Sadly, very few. Colourstorm pops in from time to time to water the plants, Phadde drops by to show he’s still angry at everything, Insanity did a drive-by shooting a while ago, but it’s otherwise been quite barren. I made a new friend in Cindy over on Wally’s blog over the weekend, but she’s already threatening to ban me, so i doubt she’ll grace us. Pity.
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As you may or may not have seen/known John, I tried my absolute hardest to carry on civil constructive dialogue with ColorStorm weeks ago — picked up a very polite ‘aquaintance’ (theancients) along the way who COULD talk with common courtesy — but it was literally like speaking with (or rather listening only) to a member of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, or Jewish Zionist. All similiar. In many cases identical, no differences.
(in his rhetorical voice again) — Why is it so SO difficult for these extremists to carry on a normal courteous conversation… even about other non-religious, non-theological subjects? 😮
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Because the pantomime has a horrible, terrible, ghastly habit of simply popping if not maintained with nonsense 🙂
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Sadly true. It makes me very sad for them, never angry… because the human brain is unbelievably erroneous & malleable to its immediate & sub-immediate environs. I get it. 😦
But I guess just like other hominids still around on this planet… some species do not evolve fast at all, then possibly/probably(?) go extinct, eh? 😉
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….and while the professor and johns of the andes will be long dead………God will still be God……….ever proving Himself with daily consistency……..while the creatures he gives breath to,.shake the fist in rebellion.
Amusing really. Evolution? Ha, you should be so embarrassed that the god evolution has produced the depravity of man. Proof? Uh, yeah, just look at the comments on your own blogs. 😉
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So, you’re saying an opposable thumb is depraved?
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John,
If you recall, I have told you on numerous occasions that the body is perfectly designed.
Evolution has no claim there. You are arguing for intelligence thank you.
Societal shifts prove God’s word is true, while evolution boasts of meaningless answers.
Only the scriptures answer as to the bent of the heart, we have been through this a dozen times.My answers never change, while yours ‘adapts’ and are unstable as water.
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You write Ray Comfort scripts, don’t you, CS?
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But I have always agreed as to the wonder of the human eye.
Perhaps you have not considered it long enough………seriously jz, a non thinking entity, having no clue what life is………somehow decided (having no clue what a brain is) that it needed to see…………having no clue what vision is……….
You really may want to rethink your worldview, as it does not pass the reality and common sense test.
(Are you tracking me Viole twisp?) lol
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I no sooner speak of batshit craziness then who should appear but colorstorm to demonstrate why I say what I do!
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You’ve got yourself a bad name – must have been when SOM crowned you the Great Atheist. Or was that Insanity? Speaking of ColorStorm (and hoping he’s not lurking) – surely an entertaining side project for an atheist? That’s the kind of person I’d invent if I had the time or ability, comedy gold, even better than SOM.
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Colourstorm (and yes, he’s not just lurking, he’s here) is the Poster Boy for why the evangelical population in the US is plummeting. That kind of madness is beautifully repulsive.
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Doh!
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(in his rhetorical shocked voice)
And that’s 3-billion out of 7.4 billion, or in other words, 41% of the planet!!! HOLY CRAPOLA Batman!!! Is that figure declining or rising!? Say it isn’t possible John! 😮 😉
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You already know the answer to that, Professor, and Muslim apologists are far, far worse than Christians… They’re still grappling with the earth being round and mobile 😦
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(with semi-rhetorical voice)
And as is often quoted & promoted, the “Holy Bible” is the most read book — and argueably the most popular — in all of history! One would think with MANY bizarre & horrific passages, like with Abe, that the trend would be declining sharply given the evolved brain capacities of humans! 😮
http://www.relevantmagazine.com/slices/bible-tops-list-most-read-books-world
Surely, certainly critical-thinking skills are constantly on the rise? Yes? Please!!!? 😉
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Well, we did just discover/confirm gravitational waves, so there’s a portion of us with our heads above the water 😉
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YES!!!! Isn’t that incredible!? 😀
And the continuing discoveries in Quantum Physics — e.g. the God Particle — and genetics/DNA, stem-cell, et al. Fantastic mind-blowing stuff that in concert clearly show this Earth, our existence, is nothing even CLOSE to singular or monistic! Only omnifarious beyond our comprehension… and that is so wonderfully exciting, as well as humbling! 😀
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And then you have this.
Meet the Republican members of the Congressional “Science” Committee.
Todd Akin (R-MZ): “Pregnancy from rape is really rare. If it’s legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.”
Ralph Hall (R-TX): “We have some real challenges; we have the global warming or global freezing and then we have the space, the NASA program, that’s enough for any one committee.”
Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI): “I personally believe that the solar flares are more responsible for climate cycles than anything that human beings do.”
Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA): “Is there some thought being given to the clearing of rainforests so some countries can eliminate that source of greenhouse gases?”
Paul Broun (R-GA): “Scientists all over the world say that the idea of human induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated by the scientific community. It is a hoax. There is no scientific consensus.”
Sandy Adams (R-FL): “I am encouraging us to reduce funding for climate change research, which undercuts one of NASA’s primary and most important objectives of human spaceflight.”
Mo Brooks (R-AL): “We have higher levels of carbon dioxide. That means that plant life grows better. Does that mean I want more of it? I don’t know about the adverse effects of carbon dioxide on human beings.”
“All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell… And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.”
Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA), 5th Oct, 2012
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Ugh. 😦 John, did you HAVE to mention Ralph Hall from my great proud state of Texas!? 😉
I could share with you so many stories, like this you’ve shown John, on a weekly basis. Just last week while waiting on my car’s oil-change (30-45 mins or so), I was surrounded by 2 men & 1 woman (in their 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s) customers, and 2 more women employed their behind the counter… all going on & on about God/Jesus, church, bible-studies, and the “miracles” the Almighty wrought from their elderly ailments. John, here it is to epidemic proportions! In fact, when I picked up a Voters Guide newspaper for all the many upcoming primary elections, care to guess what party 80% – 85% of the candidate portfolios were “represented”?
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I feel for you, but I heard Texas was very close to becoming a blue state?
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If you are referring to the already changed Texas demographic of Anglo-Saxon (Caucasin) to majority Hispanic, that happened in 2013. Unfortunately, that doesn’t represent voter turnout, voter ‘education’ and education level attained, or that registering to vote is easier or reflective of Texas demographics. This article is accurate:
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20130504-hispanics-now-largest-ethnic-group-in-texas-public-schools.ece
Besides, like W. Bush and his party executed in 2003…
…Texas Gerrymandering has been and is perfected, and can be again in order to keep the state Red for as long as possible. Just because Texas is now heavily Hispanic doesn’t mean some of those Hispanics won’t turn into Ted Cruz protégés. 😮
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Isn’t that some scary shit? This is what we get when we undermine public education and try to make wiggle room for religious and other faith-based beliefs to be considered a ‘respectable’ alternative rather than what it is: reality-denying batshit craziness (no offense intended to the real crazies, of course).
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John, while we’re on the subject of politics above, this is an OUTSTANDING article about Walt Whitman on Donald Trump by Bulgarian writer, blogger, and critic Maria Popova:
https://www.brainpickings.org/2016/02/24/walt-whitman-democratic-vistas/
You and many will/should enjoy it! ❤
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Thanks!
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Hahaha.. Omg.. So perfect!!!!!
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Context 🙂
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You know what I think about him already (https://asifoscope.org/2014/10/01/original-sin/). By todays standards, he would end up in a closed psychiatric ward. Or taking some anti-psychotic drugs. However, that depends on the part of the world he would be in. In some areas, such people have the opportunity to lead armies and start wars (think of Joseph Kony in Uganda).
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Link doesn’t work, Nannus. Your comment though reminded me of a line from Robert M. Pirsigs’, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance:
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I wonder how these idiots will react if ZIka spreads North?
Will they rely on voices inn their head or jen-u-wine medical intervention?
How is it where you are, John?
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Not bad. The problem is more up in the north east.
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Do you think it is going to hit the US in any measurable fashion before they can produce a vaccine or will there be only isolated cases?
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It’s in the US already. I guess it depends on how widespread that particular mosquito is. Bit of rain, some heat, and anything could happen.
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It’s sexually transmitted and so no one is safe in this regard. As for the compatible mosquitoes themselves, climate change in North America will bring them to about Idaho in the next ten years.
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That would appear to be a likely scenario, and often overlooked. People in different latitudes aren’t physically equipped to fight the diseases from other (more tropical) latitudes.
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The atheist saying all these horrible things about Abraham is like a Bible Belt hick looking at Michelangelo’s, David and screaming, “It’s gaul derned pornography!”
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Blessed Veles, I think that’s your best comment ever, SOM!
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Well, I just feel so strongly that good Abraham is grossly underappreciated by a certain demographic.
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Ugh! Insufferably superior and grossly exaggerated characterization of the American South. Don’t know the nature of your biases, but I’m guessing you never spent any real time there.
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That sentence was a wild ride from end to end
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You’re a soft toy after my heart! 🙂
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I have no idea how to reply to that so…
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I don’t get it John. What is wrong with God testing Abraham? After all, we are all tested in a myriad of ways, by a variety of testers. And what does genitals have to do with Genesis 22?
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“Stephon Lindsay killed daughter under “orders” from “Yahweh””
http://www.wbrc.com/story/31319308/statement-to-police-stephon-lindsay-killed-daughter-under-orders-from-yahweh
So, Lindsay did the right thing?
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It is not the same. Abraham was stopped, since it was a test. Stephon Lindsay actually committed murder. So you are wrong there.
What’s with the genitals thing, again?
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No, not wrong at all. Yhwh told him to kill his child. Why do you doubt him?
Yhwh told Abe to cut up his genitals. Gen 17
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So it’s all stupid bull-shit then. I get it now, hahaha, God haters just killing time until the final burning.
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If Yhwh told you, Roy, to kill your child, would you? Would you have that courage?
And are you doubting Yhwh told Abe to cut up his genitals?
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OK, now I understand, you call circumcision cut up genitals, very strange. You don’t really want an idiot version sermon about circumcision do you, I mean you already know it.
If I was Abraham, and have been talking to God, more appropriately talked to and instructed BY GOD, talked to and led by God, and He told me to sacrifice my son to Him then yes, I would, trusting God to do the right thing which is NOT killing an innocent young one.
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”OK, now I understand, you call circumcision cut up genitals, very strange.”
gen•i•tal
ˈjenədl/
noun
plural noun: genitals
1. a person or animal’s external organs of reproduction.
What do you think your genitals are, Roy?
”If I was Abraham, and have been talking to God, more appropriately talked to and instructed BY GOD, talked to and led by God, and He told me to sacrifice my son to Him then yes, I would, trusting God to do the right thing which is NOT killing an innocent young one.”
Firstly, I asked if you, Roy, would kill your child if instructed to. Would you? Stephon Lindsay did. His faith is incredible, yes? In your mind, he should be celebrated, right? He did precisely what Yhwh instructed him to do. His faith is as great as Abraham’s.
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Waiting for a reply I was curious and turned to
http://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision.
What are the benefits of circumcision?
There is some evidence that circumcision has health benefits, including:
1) A decreased risk of urinary tract infections.
2) A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men.
3) Protection against penile cancer and a reduced risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.
4) Prevention of balanitis (inflammation of the glans) and balanoposthitis (inflammation of the glans and foreskin).
5) Prevention of phimosis (the inability to retract the foreskin) and paraphimosis (the inability to return the foreskin to its original location).
Circumcision also makes it easier to keep the end of the penis clean.
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The Bible contains MANY health related laws, all valid and verified as correct and advisable by current scientific knowledge, all when the Egyptians at the time thought putting animal dung on open wounds was a good idea.
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So, if a circumised penis is the better design, why didn’t the Heavenly Designer make it that way, Roy?
Did he blunder? Was there a flaw in the design?
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I can not read without putting glasses on. I also had to stop eating sugary foods and unnecessary carbs to loose weight, horrifying. More blunders?
Did I circumcise my son’s? No. Why not? I was not commanded to so.
God told Israel, “Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer.”
Apostle Paul teaches in Romans 2. “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.” And later, “Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law?”
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OK, and this has what, exactly, to do with Abe cutting up his genitals and trying to murder his child shortly after he started hearing voices?
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It has everything to do with it.
It seems it isn’t for you to understand the things of God, sorry about your bad luck dude.
Or is the truth understood perfectly but you are so damaged that you hate unforgivably?
The latter perhaps, since you fully understand the message but choose to twist everything in the Bible in a very perverted way, so sad.
What perversion comes next, maybe another fart post with words left out?
…What else can I believe since your own past revelations about your upbringing convicts you. You can run from God but you can not hide.
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It seems it isn’t for you to understand the things of God, sorry about your bad luck dude.
Yeah, my bad luck. Not the case for Stephon Lindsay, though, right? His faith was strong, unbreakable, in fact. He did precisely what Yhwh told him to do: Kill his child.
Roy, you still haven’t answered my earlier question. If Yhwh told you to murder your child, would you? Would you have the same rock solid faith as Mr. Lindsay? Would you obey Yhwh?
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BTW, Roy… Valerie Tarico has written a superb article: Evangelical Christianity’s Brand Is Used Up which Insanitybytes has done a follow up to. Both articles are thoroughly impressive. As an evangelical, I’d be interested to hear your reaction to both (either here, or on Insanity’s blog)
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I don’t know what Insanity’s blog is but I did click the link. Stupid.
Her about page states,”As a writer Valerie tackles the intersection between religious belief, psychology and politics, with a growing focus on women’s issues and contraceptive technologies that she thinks are upstream game changers for a broad range of challenges that humanity faces.”
Hardly an authority on Christ Saviour. An unbeliever has no authority, they twist, unlike yourself, with denial and objections until the final burning.
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Beautifully put… Matching Valerie’s description perfectly: Sex-obsessed, arrogant, bigoted, lying, greedy, ignorant, predatory and mean. Well done!
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Sounds like Donald Trump, and he thinks he’s god too.
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I already answered you. YES. In the context taken. Abraham was tested. Isaac lives and Lindsay hears Satan and is a murder. Abraham is God’s chosen and his dissidents multiplied. Satan speaks in Gods name, we are warned in the Bible of his wiles, the insane hear Satan and kill their children and you put forth propaganda , Satan’s ally. Again with your twisted tales.
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Not only do the insane hear Satan, but they believe in him too.
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No, you didn’t answer. You ignored the question and re-cast it as ”If I were Abraham…”
So, Roy, if Yhwh told you to murder your child, would you? Would you have the same rock solid faith as Mr. Lindsay? Would you obey Yhwh?
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Mental illness is very real Nan and I feel for their suffering. Shit happens and nothing is guaranteed perfect these days. If a mentally ill person says God told me then the only explanation is Satan since God has never commanded someone kill their child. John likes to twist Scripture, but it is a fact Abraham did not kill his child.
“Be on your guard and stay awake. Your enemy, the devil, is like a roaring lion, sneaking around to find someone to attack.” 1 Peter 5:8 (CEV)
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Obviously you missed the point of my comment. Read it again.
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For the third time, YES. If God commanded me to sacrifice my son unto Him I would. I would trust my Father always to do what is right.
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Fair enough. You’d kill your own child.
So, will you be travelling to Alabama to support Stephon Lindsay and protest his death sentence? He’s a man of God, a faithful servant. Would not Yhwh want you to defend him?
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I would add, Mr. Lindsay was not hearing God. God does not, and has never, asked anyone to kill their own child!
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Errrrum, false:
Apparently, Yhwh also told Stephon Lindsay to kill his child.
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You just convicted yourself, God tells him to sacrifice, Satan tells him to kill. God stops him since it is a test, Satan’s remains silent and the child dies. You are one twisted dued.
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God stops him since it is a test
Yhwh says:
There is no “Pssst, hey, Abraham, I’m just kidding… Go along with it, it’ll be fun”
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And Roy, will you be travelling to Alabama to support Stephon Lindsay and protest his death sentence? He’s a man of God, a faithful servant. Would not Yhwh want you to defend him?
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Your right, Abraham was lead by God for dozens upon dozens of years. They had a relationship and Abe knew God, TRUSTED God. This sacrifice request didn’t come on day-one of the relationship.
You cast your perversion out of context. ABRAHAM knew GOD, TRUSTED God. If it is God will I sacrifice my son to Him then that is God’s will.
I do not have a history of mental illness like your puppet Mr. Lindsay.
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Of course I’m right. I don’t lie. I don’t have to, unlike apologists.
I do not have a history of mental illness like your puppet Mr. Lindsay.
My puppet? Um, I believe he’s Yhwh’s puppet. It was Yhwh who spoke to him. Why don’t you believe this man of great faith, Roy? He obeyed Yhwh’s command. What faith! Why aren’t you in Alabama supporting him? He has communicated with Yhwh. Yours is a revealed religion, is it not? Well, Mr. Lindsey has had a revelation. He is a conduit between man and God.
And again, there was no “Pssst, hey, Abraham, I’m just kidding… Go along with it, it’ll be fun.” Yhwh said, kill your child. Abraham, like Mr. Lindsay, obeyed… and so would you, you say.
I think that’s tremendously interesting.
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Yea Nan, I don’t know really if anyone hearing Satan actually acknowledges they are, like you imply. I don’t “think they believe in him too” either. Mental illness sucks. Mothers drowning their kids suck. Anyone killing their kids sucks.
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They exchange the word sacrifice for kill
LOL! OK, Roy, and “sacrificing” a human being to a god is what, a deep muscle massage for the victim?
Oh, sorry… Not victim, rather “offering,” right?
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I would add Nan, that a lot of hurt souls like to swap words. They exchange the word sacrifice for kill. They use the mentally ill to support their false interpretations. It’s sad really, the lost and forsaken, forever to wander, forever to fight and struggle with the Wall.
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Once again Leroy. It appears YOU believe Satan exists. Now go back and read my comment again.
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Finally my slow self gets it Nan. You imply “only the insane hear Satan, and believe in him too”. ME.
Yet you are wrong. Yes. I believe in Satan and his wiles, but I am far from insane.
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Do you agree that the insane see things, hear things, sometimes talk to things that are not there? If so, consider this. Satan does not exist. He is a creation of the apocalytic writers during the intertestamental period. The early Jews did not believe in the “satan” that “exists” in the Christian world today. He came “into being” after the Exile and is nothing but a figment of imagination.
Thus, if you believe in Satan, what does that say about you?
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I’m insane, and I believe in Satan. So, what does that say about me?
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Your name is Antonin Scalia?
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It was, but now I’m dead, and my name is Bob the wise one. Anyone not believing in me will suffer a penile mutilation like you wouldn’t believe. Oh, and only an idiot wouldn’t believe that Allah is the one and only real God. Thanks. Have a great night.
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You’ve got it covered. 🤗
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That’s what she said.
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I’ll tell you Nan it impresses me you responded. Many here appear to fear discourse. I don’t want to preach to you since I know you do not like that.
The sun rises on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Wealth is just one of the dozens of aspects of love God offers and I share that and many other things.
Matthew 5
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5&version=ESV
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Come on Nan, Satan does not exist, really. So God does not exist and the whole of the Bible is fable. If that is what you believe then say so, so we have starting point. It’s all a fable in your mind, right?
What you claim, specifically, is false. It is a lie you read somewhere.
Even though Satan is first mentioned by name in Job, previous historical accounts record his actions (see Genesis 3, when Satan influenced the serpent, and Genesis 4 where Cain belonged to him (1 John 3:12).
You are a bit more crafty than John, not quoting Scripture, but lies show themselves out, eventually.
In the New Testament, other names reveal more about Satan’s current nature. Devil (diabolos) means “false accuser, Satan, slanderer” in Greek and is the word from which the English word diabolical is formed. Satan is called a dragon in Revelation 12:9 and 20:2, as well as the “evil one” in several places. Revelation 12:9 calls him “that ancient serpent” or “serpent of old,” and Matthew 4:3 calls him the “tempter.” Other names for Satan include Abaddon (destruction), Apollyon (destroyer, Revelation 9:11), Beelzebub or Beelzebul (Matthew 12:27) and Belial (2 Corinthians 6:15). Satan is also referred to as the god of this world/age (2 Corinthians 4:4), prince of this world (John 12:31), and father of lies (John 8:44).
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Truth from The Koran: 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.” The christian and the atheist await the same fire of hell that Allah has prepared for them. Sad, but true. Zande and his christian blasphemers will burn together in the same fire: 3:56: “As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.” Burn, blasphemers, burn!
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I would LOVE to respond, Leroy, but my brain is tired. I will say this and may say more tomorrow so stay tuned. I’m not speaking “from the hip” as I spent considerable time doing research on the birth and existence of Satan (along with several other subjects) so I know what I’m talking about. You are speaking from the Christian POV, which is incorrect but is etched into the minds of Christians by hundreds of years of indoctrination. More tomorrow (if John will allow me the space). Toodles.
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And may Beelzebub continue to bless Roy’s stock portfolio…and may he continue to have the arrogance and presumption to relay his days buys and sells as if anyone is interested.
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Here is the truth: 2:120: “Never will the Jews nor the Christians be pleased with you till you follow their religion. Say: “Verily, Islâmic Guidance is the only Guidance. And if you were to follow their desires after what you have received of Knowledge, then you would have against Allâh neither any protector nor helper.” Can any words be truer? Can ANY truth be clearer? WTF is wrong with atheists like Zande and blaspheming christians like Roy? There is NO God but Allah, and Mohammad IS His Prophet. Are you both daft? Do you wish to burn? WTF? Read the truth and learn it! Stop your ignorance! The christian, Roy, what a blind fool you are to follow this infidel, Zande into Hell, BUT, Allah expects your stupidity and Hell awaits you for it. Allahu akbar
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To Leroy and any other interested readers: I have posted information related to this conversation here rather than take up space on John’s blog.
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Cool, but there’s no problem at all conversing here, Nan. Your choice either way.
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Thanks, John, but since “Abe” has become so active, it’s taking quite a bit of time to load on other devices. Thought it best to continue elsewhere. 🙂
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No problem. I’ll tell room service not to deliver dinner tonight 😉
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This reminds me of what JFK once said to Frank Sinatra: “Frank, if Abe gets too active while I’m out, just give him a bottle and burp him.”
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It is not genuine IBTD. Koran 5 was written 6-7 hundred years after the Bible version. The Koran is all about political control and control over pussy. We see it today. Islam is only about the political elite and control over it’s people and the peoples pussy. Mo wanted control and invented a perversion of what he already knew. He lived and grew up with Jews and knew their teachings and perverted them for his own gain, money and young pussy. Just like any corrupt society they take the ball and run with it making more laws to further cement their control.
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Truth from The Koran: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.” Believe, or burn you deceitful liar. You spawn of Satan. You blasphemous dog! Allah has made a Hell for you. I hope you like the feeling of your flesh burning from your bone for an eternity, for that is what your blaspheme has brought you. Read. Meditate, and learn from The One True God, Allah, or burn. It is your choice. All logic, all reason. all learning points to Islam as truth and christianity as a blasphemous lie. Learn or burn.
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Yes Nan, it is late here too where I am. 1020pm. Start a new thread, I hate scrolling up so far.
JZ, do you live in a dirt floor thatched roof hut in where-who Brazil? Wealth creation and debt-freedom should be desirable. When I retire at 60 I still need income, don’t you?
My advice…pay off all your debts ASAP. SAVE. And invest in securities that pay dividends. Dividend Kings, Dividend Champions, and US Municipal Bond Funds. Buy your retirement income.
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I live in a city that has the GDP of Norway. That city (and no, its the not the state capital) is in a state that has the GDP of Australia. The problem is, north of us are wankers.. and there’s quite a bit north of us. It’s much like America, I suppose; the prosperous irreligious north supporting the poor religious south.
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Zande, to reply to a christian is to agree with the christian. WTF is your issue? Read this and learn, you ape: From The Koran: 5:73: “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: “Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity).” But there is no god but Allâh. And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.” The Koran is the True Word of God. Roy is a blasphemous dog of a christian, a liar, an infidel. You, sir, are but a disbeliever. So, f**ckin’ believe, or burn. It’s your choice. Roy has already chosen fire, as most all christians do. Allahu akbar
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Oh, you blasphemous man! Do you not hear the word of God? Are you simply going to argue with an atheistic fool? Read the words of God from The Koran and tremble, you weak, ignorant fool of a christian. From The Koran: 5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.” The christian is a blind oaf who can not see reality though Allah has given him eyes. What, Roy, does Truth, the Truth of God’s word, have to do with dates? Your blaspheme is clear. Your denial of God is clear. Your punishment is clear. You, and your atheist friend, Zande, will burn together in Hell. You’re both blasphemous apes who’ve no idea of God. You’ve been warned. Be prepared. You blasphemous christian dog, you.
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Now you acknowledge your deception, i.e. word swap.
Abraham was lead by God for dozens upon dozens of years. They had a relationship and Abe knew God, TRUSTED God. This sacrifice request didn’t come on day-one of the relationship.
You cast your perversion out of context. ABRAHAM knew GOD, TRUSTED God.
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I acknowledge nothing of the like. If you can give me another word for killing the offering (murder, really), then I’ll be happy to use it.
So, again, Yhwh says:
There is no “Pssst, hey, Abraham, I’m just kidding… Go along with it, it’ll be fun.”
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You are quoting Scripture John. It isn’t going well. You will never, EVER, be able to truthfully use the Bible against itself. It is the epitome of a struggling atheists. People like me slay those who use Scripture against itself. You should know this already.
The word in Scripture you so lovingly quote is sacrifice.
Abraham was lead by God for dozens upon dozens of years. They had a relationship and Abe knew God, TRUSTED God. This sacrifice request didn’t come on day-one of the relationship. God has never commanded anyone to kill their child.
You cast your perversion out of context. ABRAHAM knew GOD, TRUSTED God.
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Give it up, Roy.
Does the story read:
Or does it read:
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Give what up? it is the second, as you know. Tell us what happens next, please.
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You’re boring me.
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Defeat is boring then? Where’s IDB, I feel like cussing.
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I must also let Roy be clear of this truth from The Koran. It may save his blasphemous soul from eternal damnation. From The Koran: 3:85: “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”
Roy, to quote dates is to quote your own damnation. Read the Truth of God. Understand God. Or, Roy, continue to be a lying, blasphemous dog and burn in Hell for your arrogance as most christians do. It is vile and offensive that you do not see the Truth. God will damn you for it regardless of whether or not you believe it.
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The Abrahamic religions seem intent on suppressing all enjoyment of life and in imposing misery.
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They can be somewhat morose, I agree.
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Hahahahahaha. What understatement. Brilliant.
– esme falling about upon the Cloud
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That’s quite the statement. What is your evidence for that?
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There is none Consoled, it’s a deflection. Many Atheists tend to revert to this always, that is the default, twist Truth. When that fails, attack. When these two fail, attempt to subjugate.
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Hey Leroy … Did you get my invitation to continue our conversation from last night on my blog? I’ve expanded on comments on why Satan is non-existent. Hope to see you there. 😊
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I won’t pretend to speak for Drenn, I’m sure he’s more than capable of defending his position, but for your consideration, let me just show you this contemporary example which does support his comment:
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Actually, I would characterize his views more as an opinion, Leroy. That is half the problem though: he’s presenting it as a statement of fact. It certainly hasn’t been my experience that Judaism “seem[s] intent on suppressing all enjoyment of life and in imposing misery.”
As far as John’s support, being charitable and calling it a religious organization rather than a political one fueled by religion, it at best shows a certain sub-section of the “Abrahamic religions seem intent on suppressing all enjoyment of life and in imposing misery.” I doubt all Christians support those statements nor do most Jews.
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Yes Nan, posted a q and will play, lovingly.
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Nan invited me to join her in a discussion about whether Satan exists, or not. Imagine that. After three days I get banned. Seems the crazies really do not want dialog after all. Anytime the crazies at Nan’s Place do not like what they read they twist the commentators comment into a 360 degree woo-how, then tell them, get lost.
Very strange, last time I do that.
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You were “banned” because you would not discuss WHY you believe in the existence of “Satan” and instead started “preaching” by quoting “salvation” scripture (so typical of Christians), bragging/talking about your investments, and the final straw … demeaning women, If you think my actions were strange, so be it.
To anyone else reading this, I welcome discussion on why you do or do not believe in the existence of “Satan.” Leroy has provided the link.
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Finally, somewhere to banter without deletion…
I never demeaned women Nan, another lie. I have my woman on a pedestal. I cherish her and will lay down my life for here. Her name is Cynthia Ann. It scares me to think she will die before me, I can’t live without her. She has been with me so long. I picture us together, swords and shields in hand, fighting…sweat and blood but yet victorious over the legions of evil, I love her so much. Just try me dear one.
I do not brag. I wish, so I wish, someone would have sat me down when I was young and stupid. I wish someone would have told me, Leroy, all you have to do is save $300 a month. Open a brokerage account at Fidelity and buy stock in these five Company’s, and Leroy, do this for 25 years and when you are 50 years old you will have one and a half millions dollars. Bragging about investments bull-shit. I say know how the rich get richer. Know how to make your money make money. Know wisdom. I give knowledge and I get nothing and want nothing from any of you. I do not want any comments at my blog, I do not have time for it. I’m here when I’m here and it is not consistent, but I’m drawn back, sent back, for a long time.
SATAN. Your request to discuss the existence of Satan is a sham. You don’t really know shit, just like all the rest of us.
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Kind of really weird. x1NoName wants to talk to me at Nan’s Place. News Flash NoName. I have been banned. I can try all day to post a rely to you Sir/Mam at the banned site to no avail.
Poor dude wants to talk about the stars, seems I mentioned I’m an Aries. You know, the Ram. We seem to force our way through life. We are very confident, stubborn, and live our lives precariously balanced on the edge. Aries do not take shit from anyone, did I mention we ooze confidence.
The Nan posted a comment, then banned me, “doesn’t your holy book consider it a sin to consult the stars?”
I’m an Aries, God Created the Stars, who the shit has all the answers? Very strange people. So anyway, poor dude states, “the stars occurred naturally as over millions of years, hydrogen gas collected as a consequence of gravitational attraction, until the very size of the mass, combined with the compression, caused the ball of gas to heat sufficiently to ignite the hydrogen, and a star was born.”
I just had to copy this here, certain it will not be deleted. Little dude, copy and past this URL to a word dock so you can come back in 10 years and laugh with me. x1NoName I see you as Little Dude. I have no idea at all about you, I have been given a impression of you as a Little Dude, it is enduring, my dude, my love. We can talk here but I’m banned at Nan’s, any post I try to make does not show up.
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And X1NoName posts another comment to me at the Censors blog. Tried again Little Dude, I’m a reject and unworthy to spit in the drink of the Diva. Whatever, moving on. Where’s the link to the Fart Post???? Where’s Waldo?
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What is worst than deleting commentators posts. The owner of a blog editing their response after another responds. Makes the other look stupid and leaves the casual observer scratching their head.
She takes exception to my point of view, instead of deleting my reply why not just scrap the whole thing. Why not just wipe the whole post from existence.
I can go back here to 2013 and read the 1.3 Second Fart post, John’s post, my post, my Christos post. It’s here in all it’s glory to live forever.
At Nan’s Place there is censorship and deletion.
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Nan gave you plenty of warnings to stay on topic.
So, you were Nathan the monkey, huh?
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Thank you, John. I’m glad somebody noticed (re: the warnings).
It’s amazing how Christians consistently change the subject when they’re pinned down. But I guess it’s understandable. Since all they have is their bi-bull, they’ve lost the ability to think for themselves and must revert to quoting scripture (or hurling insults).
And Leroy, in case you think this comment is directed at you, don’t flatter yourself. You are just one of many who fit the description.
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Again, I stayed on topic John, she just didn’t like what I wrote…
Below is my last comment to Nan before I got banned. Off Topic about the existence of Satan? Y or N
John, please answer another. Can someone say she use to believe in God and now
does not. Can someone say their life was transformer by the shed blood of Christ and then later change their mind? Seems kind of fake to me…
Reply or not, just had to get this out of my heart…………
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“As far has your exception to Satan…I would imagine most Atheist hate the idea of Hell, damnation, separation, pain eternal, or the more desirable fate of all these – incinerated into non-existence . It is unpleasant to contemplate any of this. I don’t like it.
Looking at he Bible as a whole Literary Masterpiece the story must start from the first word in the OT and end with the last word in the NT.
Theologians often talk about “progressive revelation” regarding the unfolding of all truth in scripture. Those living during OT times didn’t know exactly how God was going to provide salvation for his people through the sacrifice of His Son. Sure there were prophesies about Jesus, but the Jews had no idea what He really was all about. They did understand the concept of blood sacrifice, covenants, and the need for atonement. Those living under the law had small glimpses of Satan’s work, but it took the added information of revelation in the NT to give a more complete picture. As time goes forward revelation gives us a clearer concept of a fallen angel who leads a rebellion against God’s reign and works to disrupt the work of the church.
The NT compliments the OT in this regard. Jesus’ teachings, the Apostles teachings, and Revelations gives us a clearer picture of the OT Deceiver.”
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John, please answer another. Can someone say she use to believe in God and now does not.
Of course. We all believed in Santa once. Why? Because that is what was told to us by adults.
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Anytime the crazies at ………. do not like what they read they twist the commentators comment into a 360 degree woo-how, then tell them, get lost.
What is interesting Leroy is that to me this perfectly describes most fundamentalist Christian blogs. I suppose bias really is in the eye of the beholder.
Having suffered banning, moderation and editing of comments by Christian blogs I suggest that the atheist and Christian community are closer in behaviour than either likes to admit.
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Thought I’m always on topic John. I mean conversations do evolve, don’t they. Nathan was invented for Chris, TheGuyWithTheEye. I had to try something, seems it didn’t work.
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I don’t use “crazies” in the normal meaning Peter. I do not think you guys are mentally deranged. It is very informal, like bizarre, or intensely anxious and eager.
If this doesn’t give you a little chuckle you might be dead…
A Sunday school teacher asked the children just before she dismissed them to go to church,
“And why is it necessary to be quiet in church?”
Little Johnny jumped up and yelled, “Because people are sleeping!”
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Hi Leroy as a person who spent many decades in church I appreciate a bit of Church humour. This is one that could applied to my preaching (as I had been an ordained pastor):
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Another joke for Leroy:
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And I thought punching myself in the cock out of frustration was kind of crazy!
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That’s an image I’m going to find hard to erase 😉
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Sorry?
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Hehehe. Actually, the image of Bailey standing at the counter with his arms out keeps flashing through my mind. That’s a classic story.
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Thank you. Now you have one nice image and one disturbing image. A nice balance.
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The universe is balanced, and there was much rejoicing!
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